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perez228
01-23-2013, 09:14 AM
Linda, what would happen if someone were to go from Round 1 to Round 2 without ever doing maintenance? I have a friend who is considering this and I'm trying to talk her out of it. I'd like to have some concrete information for her though.

sierra
01-23-2013, 09:37 AM
I was one that wanted to do that.
Linda did advise against it.
She explained to me that my body needed the break and that I was going to want the break.

She was so right.

I did a long round and was ready for the change a week an a half left I was ready to break.
So you are telling her right from what I can remember Linda saying to me.

perez228
01-23-2013, 09:55 AM
Thanks Sierra.....I did 60 days in my first round and I was ready to break also. I'm sure there are also consequences to your health when you go from one round to another without a break.

sierra
01-23-2013, 11:21 AM
You are so welcome.

Linda would be the one to know what those type of consequences are, if any.

After getting the info from me trying that and going though the stab & maint. I recommend doing P3 AND P4.
I do believe it's mandated by the protocol. But please wait for Linda to confirm that statement.
I would rather stab & maint than to go without doing it just to know that my body is doing what it's suppose to.

I did continue to lose weight even without the drops. I maintained and I lost 10 lbs on my own.

I'm on R2 of 60 days. What plan did she go with?

Sadie
01-23-2013, 12:13 PM
Linda, what would happen if someone were to go from Round 1 to Round 2 without ever doing maintenance? I have a friend who is considering this and I'm trying to talk her out of it. I'd like to have some concrete information for her though.Here is the thing, if you are going to extend time on the current round of protocol that would be preferred. Skipping the maintenance part does a couple of things. It increases the likelihood that you will become immune to the effects of HCG. also, the body needs the break to stabilize the weight you just achieved in the previous round. The mind really needs a break from the riggers of this protocol it is exhausting enough without doing something like this.
I have had several clients try this before and all of them were sorry they did it.
Follow the original protocol instructions and you will be successful in permanently losing the weight.

perez228
01-23-2013, 01:04 PM
Here is the thing, if you are going to extend time on the current round of protocol that would be preferred. Skipping the maintenance part does a couple of things. It increases the likelihood that you will become immune to the effects of HCG. also, the body needs the break to stabilize the weight you just achieved in the previous round. The mind really needs a break from the riggers of this protocol it is exhausting enough without doing something like this.
I have had several clients try this before and all of them were sorry they did it.
Follow the original protocol instructions and you will be successful in permanently losing the weight.

Linda, what do you mean by "extend time on the current round"? More than 60 days?

Sadie
01-23-2013, 09:34 PM
Meaning that if you they want to go longer on a round of HCG - up to 60 days then that would be preferred to doing speed rounds (not doing the other phases) which is what she is thinking of doing.

perez228
01-24-2013, 02:37 PM
Meaning that if you they want to go longer on a round of HCG - up to 60 days then that would be preferred to doing speed rounds (not doing the other phases) which is what she is thinking of doing.

I didn't exactly tell you the whole story because it's so convoluted. She is planning on doing 43 days of HCG and then going to the K-E diet for 10 days (that's the one where they put a feeding tube up your nose and you're on 800 calories of liquids for 10 days - it's a new trend that mostly brides are doing to be able to fit into their wedding dress) and then starting another round of HCG right after the K-E diet. I just don't see the sense in doing this - HCG works just fine alone and I don't see the need to mix plans like that. I don't agree with it at all but I have a feeling I'm not going to be able to talk her out of it.

nancybaggot
01-24-2013, 03:40 PM
I guess my question is, why is she stopping the HCG for the NG tube?? Is the plan 45 days on HCG, 10 days of liquid per tube and then another 45 day HCG round?? My daughter's first round was 60 days, and she lost about 70 pounds, but she did not follow maintanence well on any of her numerous rounds and I have no doubt that is why she is not mainitaing her losses. I understand that you can only do so much, but this just sounds crazy to me and her chances of longterm success I think are very slim. P3, from my experience, is just as important as P2 for maintaining. Is she doing this for a wedding or event??

sierra
01-25-2013, 12:35 PM
I didn't exactly tell you the whole story because it's so convoluted. She is planning on doing 43 days of HCG and then going to the K-E diet for 10 days (that's the one where they put a feeding tube up your nose and you're on 800 calories of liquids for 10 days - it's a new trend that mostly brides are doing to be able to fit into their wedding dress) and then starting another round of HCG right after the K-E diet. I just don't see the sense in doing this - HCG works just fine alone and I don't see the need to mix plans like that. I don't agree with it at all but I have a feeling I'm not going to be able to talk her out of it.

Wow, this is extreme. I hope she rethinks this. Keep up posted. =/

Sadie
01-25-2013, 01:01 PM
Well, HCG address abnormal fat and any other diet protocol addresses normal fat supplies. She will likely immediately start gaining weight after starting the other protocol and within two weeks will have likely regained all the weight she lost on HCG. It is going to be a rough period for her. She better really think about this. If she starts to gain weight rapidly have her seek medical help because she might be suffering protein deficiency which - left untreated - can lead to a heartattack or stroke due to water weight gain. HCG is something that should not be triffled with. If she needs a diet I can make referrals to other plans.

perez228
01-25-2013, 01:45 PM
I guess my question is, why is she stopping the HCG for the NG tube?? Is the plan 45 days on HCG, 10 days of liquid per tube and then another 45 day HCG round?? My daughter's first round was 60 days, and she lost about 70 pounds, but she did not follow maintanence well on any of her numerous rounds and I have no doubt that is why she is not mainitaing her losses. I understand that you can only do so much, but this just sounds crazy to me and her chances of longterm success I think are very slim. P3, from my experience, is just as important as P2 for maintaining. Is she doing this for a wedding or event??

Nancy she has quite a bit of weight to lose so this isn't for a wedding or special event. I have no idea how she came up with this and I think she's getting a little frustrated with me for calling her out. There is no "fast fix" to losing weight - every one of us has to do the time and put in a lot of effort. It's the only way. I have to stop harping on her and just hope that everything goes okay. She told me she checked with her heart doctor and he cleared it - I'm not convinced that she told him everything because I can't imagine any doctor approving this.

Sadie
01-25-2013, 02:01 PM
I know it is now a sensitive subject but if you would please have her address the rapid weight gain if it occurs. No skinny dress is worth a potential life.

nancybaggot
01-25-2013, 02:10 PM
You are right, there is no magic pill for weight loss, but HCG is about as fast a way as I have found. And what your friend is not realizing is that 30 or 45 days on HCG protocol will help you lose a good bit of weight, but it is not an easy road and most people really need P3-4 to break the monotony and work on maintaining and learning how to do that or it will be one big circle of losing and regaining. You are a good friend to try and help.

sierra
01-26-2013, 06:38 AM
You are right, there is no magic pill for weight loss, but HCG is about as fast a way as I have found. And what your friend is not realizing is that 30 or 45 days on HCG protocol will help you lose a good bit of weight, but it is not an easy road and most people really need P3-4 to break the monotony and work on maintaining and learning how to do that or it will be one big circle of losing and regaining. You are a good friend to try and help.

You couldn't be more right.

My first round I want to just storm through and not do P3 and P4.
LUCKILY!!! Linda talked to me and spun my head in another direction. I did a 45 day round
that when 58 days. A few weeks in after I got use to the very little eating. I had this "bright idea"
to storm through to my next round. Linda and a few others on here turned me around, and I'm thankful for them.
I'm looking forward this round doing P3 and P4 because it's a sign of accomplishment. My thoughts now!
The phases are put there for a reason. The reason in which the body has to adapt and level out. I continued to lose weight
even without the drops. I lost 35 lbs at my LDW and was 10 lbs under that by the time R2 time hit. This diet is and thing of patience
and lesson. No matter how much weight anyone has to lose. IT WORK. She just will have to do more rounds than others.
She Should get through a few rounds then decide it's not for her and than move on from it. Instead of putting herself at risk of
major issues. I understand where she is coming from. I was there. I sure will be praying for her. I wish her well and you for having to deal this all this.

nancybaggot
01-26-2013, 10:42 AM
Sierra, it is amazing that you started a new round 10 below your last LDW. That rarely happens and it quite an accomplishment. I always had a least 2-4 pounds to relose becasue once you get close to another round, my tendency was to just eat things I knew I would not be having for awhile, not necessarily overeating, but lots of potatos, which I love and icecream, love that, too. And I much prefer the shorter rounds, so I did alot more rounds than might have been necessary if I had done all 45-60 days, but I could not hang in that long in P2 and my losses toward the end were not worth the effort of P2. Everyone has to find what works for them, and it seems you definitely have for you. Fantastic!!

sierra
01-26-2013, 11:06 AM
Thank you so much, Nancy.
I decided half way through my round I was no longer going to eat sweets.
I ate one cookie when I started taking in sweets on P4 and ewww I hate cookies!
And it was a chocolate chip cookie. HOMEMADE with walnuts. I use to sit and slam on them until they were gone.
I found that graham crackers are satisfying to my sweet tooth.

Never liked ice cream because it is a trigger to my migraines.
As far as other sweets they was only as needed in most cases.

It was the soul food for me that I couldn't stay away from. I loooooooove to cook.
And I LOOOOOOOOVE savoy foods. THAT was my weakness.
I never ate out that much but when I would it was a sit down restaurant with high end meals.
I'm not a fast food person AT ALL because it just doesn't service a real purpose to me.

I just got it in my head to I needed a change and keep in that way. I don't want to
see me looking crazy. =]

lepitman
01-27-2013, 06:04 PM
So let me see if I get this...for my R1 I can go for up to 60 days and then take that 6 week break before R2? and here is what might be a dumb question but the 60 days starts on the 1st day you start taking the drops? :)

Also...I take Humira for my Rheumatoid arthritis...it's a shot once every 2 weeks... I also take a once a day anti-inflammatory pill, think I should still be taking them?

howdidigethere
01-28-2013, 10:57 AM
Hey lepitman....after your last drop day you continue the very low cal diet for three more days (72 hours). These are still considered part of phase 2. Then phase 3 starts.

-Kelly

Sadie
01-28-2013, 11:08 AM
60 days usually includes the loading days however, I have seen people go a total of 62 days on HCG. This would mean 2 days loading 60 days VLCD.

lepitman
01-28-2013, 11:48 AM
Thanks for all the information.